Proud? Proud Of What Exactly?

 

Being Proud of your skin color, your gender, your nationality, your tribe, your sexual orientation seems to me so stupid. If you want to be proud, do something beneficial to mankind and stop bragging about things you had by mere chance.

 

It’s no doubt to me that there is nothing wrong with being white/male/heterosexual/Iraqi as I am, but really? Did I choose any of those? Was it given to me as a result of any achievement? Was it given to me as a prize? Do any of these characteristics contribute to me being a good person or a bad person? Or better/worse than anybody else who may have different characteristics as me?

 
No, I don’t think so. And that’s the reason why I am writing this article.

 
I am pretty sure many reading this article have encountered some other people saying or signs somewhere that read, “I am proud of being a MAN,” “I am proud of being a WOMAN,” “I am proud of being a GAY,” “I am proud of being a STRAIGHT,” “I am proud of being a AMERICAN,” “I am proud of being a INDIAN,” “I am proud of being a BLACK,” “I am proud of being a WHITE,” etc. etc.

 
Can you notice how stupid these statements look like when using different examples?
Using my little Oxford Dictionary:
pride
■ noun
a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from achievements, qualities, or possessions that do one credit.

 

What have any of us done to achieve, possess, or qualify for being a man or a woman?
Did we choose the sperm of our dads and the egg of our moms? Did we choose when? And where? And which skin color the parents were?
Did we even choose to be born in the first place? The characteristics that I have talked about “gender/skin color/ sexual orientation” have nothing to do with your achievements. They are genetic; they are out of your control.

I understand some of the arguments used against what I am saying, that in the example of “I am proud of being a WOMAN,” that it is used by some feminists and doesn’t mean pride in the literal sense, it simply means “I am not ashamed of being a woman” which is a response to some misogynist crackpots who look at women as inferior human beings, but would it be smart to fight stupidity with other stupidity?

 

Other than responding with the same kind of language of “pride”? In my opinion, it would be much more intelligent to respond with a question like “How did you to choose to be a male?” “It must have been really tough job you have done before you were born to be qualified as a male,” and I am pretty sure there are tons of other examples to be used.
Same thing can be said to people claiming that Homosexuals are inferior to Heterosexuals, you can respond with sarcastic questions like, “Oh, when did you choose to be straight? How have you done that? Which school have you been to? Which classes have you taken?” etc.
The characteristics that I have mentioned earlier should play no part in respect or disrespect; respect is something to be earned as a result of good behaviors, achievements, hard work, honesty, loyalty etc.

 
An example of that is one of my life inspires: “Marie Curie.” The reason why I have so much admiration for Marie Curie is not because she was a ‘white polish woman’; I respect her because she was one of the greatest scientists in the 20th century, and her wonderful discoveries led to huge development in science and opened to many new gates in scientific research and inquiry.

 
If Marie Curie ever said “I am proud of what I have done,” YES, she is using the term correctly! Because what she had is really compatible with the actual definition of pride!
I hope that one day people would use pride and respect where they should be, and not something that they can delude themselves and others about.

 

 

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  • one can be proud of anything, but for some things it makes more sense and for some less…

    for nationality, religion, gender etc. it still makes much more sense than for e.g. cancer (why would you be proud of that? but e.g. associating good things with nationality is easy and also makes sense as every nation/people has it’s special advantages and things – and even if you did not choose it, it is part of your identity; also, e.g. nations and religions basically only make sense if you glorify them, and then you would also be proud of being part of it…)

    also, being proud of something does of course not inherently imply degrading the people who do not have the same thing

    • robertoj1

      Good article. Pride is probably the most misused word there is. Pride is an emotion that one feels after achieving a value. You cannot feel pride when someone else achieves their values. What you feel is “admiration”. You can’t be proud of your genetic makeup, or proud of a soldier or proud of an Olympic athlete.

  • The idea of “gay pride” came as a reaction to the fact that gay people have long been (and still are) taught to feel SHAME about who they were for so long.

    • But the opposite of shame isn’t necessarily pride when talking about something inherent to you. Perhaps the opposite of shame is acceptance or contentment.

      • FantasmaBAnco

        “Gay Contentment Parades” doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.

        • greenchemist

          That right there is the problem. We use words that don’t fit just because they sound better. Its just stupid.

          • James Fitter

            This only one definition pride. According to the Oxford Pocket Dictionary of Current English which Google uses for its definitions:

            a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one’s own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.

            The article makes great points, but one could definitely himself or herself “closely associated” with an ancestor or a forefather of a political or sociological movement.

      • Theworkingman00

        To me shame is false guilt culminated by someones ideals. Guilt I like because it is pivotal on hopefully intrinsic authenticity.

    • GavinSealey

      Same with ‘black pride’ … a reaction to centuries of oppression. Pride in being part of an oppressed group is different to pride in being part of a group with a history of oppressing others, the oppressed earn their pride because of what it has cost to perceive themselves and others of their group as worthy.

      • Scott Prian

        Isn’t it racist to say that all black people derived from oppression? I’m sure one of my ancestors was a peasant, in some European manor, I suppose I should have pride in that as well.

        • DickieDavis

          yessssssss!!! we have all been slaves at some point! thanku,

        • James Fitter

          It’s generalist, but not necessarily racist, and I get the idea but peasants more belonged to the land than the lord. Also serfs weren’t really allowed to leave their land, but if they did leave the lords weren’t legally required to catch them and sever one of their hamstrings. And unless you’re of Slavic descent then your ancestors from the last millennium would most likely not have been slaves. Other peoples and war prisoners(mostly Eastern European pagans) were occasionally enslaved, however Venice and Byzantium usually wouldn’t go very far for their stock.
          Western Europeans for the most part did not enslave each other.

          • Slavic

            How interesting, one thing that led me to reply on this (since the great wonder of Internet, and, do note my sarcasm, gives us, ALL of us a chance to speak…no, wait, type freely I set upon the quest of setting pride on the righ spot in my mind)…so, that one thing? Well,first, let me ask you, are you Slavic? Are you familiar with the Slavic history? Could you tell me which Slavic tribes were made slaves? Do you know maybe the political conditions of those tribes? Do you know the definition of slavery?
            If yes, I apologize for as a Slav yourself you have your own point of view no matter how twisted it might be in my eyes. If not, allow me to remind you…or better even, I would suggest that you never take one study or theory as fact.
            And as facts your words sound…even unspoken.
            So that one thing would be the word Slavic, caught upon my glaze I just couldn’t let my thoughts stay in my mind.
            I am Slavic by accident and have no pride in it just like the man from the article said but like someone else said (I have no idea who) there is a sense of belonging in all of us and where you belong you feel protective over it.
            Last remark…don’t you mean people and not peoples?
            About the topic itself, the man is right, and I fully understand him. I have no pride in being a woman, I just AM, no pride in my sexual orientation, i just IS (altough I do take pride in the skills I achieved within this magnificient element of a human)
            Or the stupidest pride of all…the pride of being white. I couldn’t care less, people are still dying no matter their skin colour.
            Only pride of some ethnical origin if (I could call it like that) I have is for the place I live in. Note, not a State or a Republic but a place I live in. I have no doing in it, it is beautiful without my work, so why would I have pride in it, it is not mine? Because I respect it every day of my life and in my respect which has to be earned I have pride. Because the place I live in I could never let go, it is a piece of me…and I take pride in myself, how not to in my pieces?
            The man is right but he is not complete, Under the surface there is more. There are many many layers of pride and where should one place it. It can’t be narrowed down like this but I like the general idea.

          • James Fitter

            No, I’m not Slavic. I do know the general history of the Slavic people and the more specific history of the Venetian and Byzantine slave trade. Unfortunately I don’t know any of the other specifics you mentioned besides the definition of slavery. If you could point me in the right direction, I’d love to read about it. However, I don’t see how any of that invalidates my point. Slavic slaves were shipped all over Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. The Muslim Fatimid dynasty even had two large slave armies, one “Nubian” (quotes because Nubia was only the place of sale, not where the people were from) and one Slavic. These are facts. Venice and Byzantium sold slaves they captured from the Dalmatian Coast and Cairo sold slaves bought from Nubia. Finally, yes I did mean “peoples.” In this sense peoples refers to varying groups of people. And as for the original post, you’re right, he isn’t complete. Mostly because he’s only citing one definition of pride, so he can make his point. As with most words, pride has many different definitions and is defined differently in different dictionaries. Look, I love Carlin (R.I.P.), but don’t base your world views on those of a fucking comedian or someone who cites a comedian to make a point (not necessarily saying you are basing your views on that, btw. I’m sure you have many reasons to believe what you do.). I love Louis C.K. and I agree with a lot of what he says. Especially his view on the word faggot. I’ve never used it as an insult to gay person. Paraphrasing, Louis says “growing up it didn’t mean that someone was gay. It just meant they were… acting faggy.” Saying shit like, “People from Phoenix are Phoenicians.” I agree with this, but I’m not about to run around using the word. It’s still offensive to a lot of people. Hopefully we can eventually take the power away from words like that, but time being they still have that power. Point is Carlin was an entertainer and great one at that, but he wasn’t a scholar and if you ever see someone using one definition of a word to make a definitive point, you should know that the point is on a shaky foundation.

      • Austen Fricks

        The problem with people retaining pride for being part of a previously oppressed group is it perpetuates that oppression, i’m sorry but i fail to see how any modern black person is affected in any way by the fact that their ancestors were enslaved. All that does is create schisms between races, we need to stop seeing each other as “Black” or “White” or “Asian” or “Hispanic,” and we need to see each other as people. Just people.

        • John Iscariot

          I don’t necessarily think any modern black *individuals* are affected by *individual* ancestors being enslaved, however, there are indeed negatively affective social operations/ perceptions etc attached to the place of black people in society due to the lingering effects of slavery and race-based policies.

        • Derek

          Black Americans’ domestic history began with effectively every individual living as a slave to the privileged, and upon their freedom living as 3/5 of a person with no education or resources or the safety net of previous generations’ successes, and for nearly a century great numbers of non-Black Americans going out of their way to keep the race oppressed and disenfranchised—and you don’t think that has anything to do with their lot in life today?

          • greenchemist

            The thing is it wasn’t great numbers of non-blacks it was only the few wealthy that did it. That’s like saying the civil war was over slavery its just not true. The civil war was about the right for the south to leave the country not slavery. Most men who fought for the south had never owned a slave the were fighting for the right to leave the union not for the right to own slaves.

          • James Fitter

            First off this I believe this is the third or fourth of your comments that I’ve commented on and I just want to let you know that I’m not trying to pick on you. I’m just bored and trying to correcting fallacies in a polite and unemotional fashion, and honestly if you get offended by this then you’re being offended by facts.

            Anyway, to say that the American Civil War was only about slavery or only about states’ rights is an oversimplification, and wars–like nearly all of history–are rarely, if ever, simple. The ideas that all southerners owned slaves or only a privileged few owned slaves is also an oversimplification. The overwhelming majority of slaves lived on plantations, however many middle class and upper class non-plantation owners had slaves for house servants. The privileged few and the states rights theories are pervasive in the South (I’m born and raised in Louisiana and still live in Baton Rouge. I’ve had this discussion many times.) and unfortunately there aren’t enough people willing to refute it here or the refute the opposite theories in the North.

            The war was the culmination of disagreements that began during the American Revolutionary War. The 3/5 Compromise satiated both sides for a time, but once westward expansion began the topic flared again. With each new territory there was a battle over whether it would be a slave state or non-slave state. This was to protect the southern states ability to stay even with North in the House of Representatives. The number of representatives each state was granted was based on the total population with slaves being counted as 3/5 of a person. The South had a much smaller population of whites than the North.

            If the North was allowed to block a territory from being a slave state it would allow the North to become much more powerful than the South. The North then could block legislation which benefited the South and, of course, could abolish slavery. Abolition would–and did–economically cripple the South as most of the raw goods, such as cotton, where produced there but processed in the North. Plantation owners would go bankrupt and northern businessmen would–and did–buy their land and control both the raw and processed goods.

            I’ve already gone on quite a bit and you know what happened when Lincoln was elected. But this was the framing of the American Civil War. In summation, was the war about slavery? Yes. Was the war about states’ rights? Yes. Was it exclusively about one or the other? No.

          • James Fitter

            the 3/5 compromise was before abolition. after they were set free they were counted as 100% of a person, but still not allowed to vote for some time. I agree with every thing else you say wholeheartedly

        • greenchemist

          There is no such thing as racism it is a stupid term. We are all the human race. There is however ethinisim but, that is the thing people throw the word racism around and its stupid if we would all just realize that were the same race we might all get along.

          • James Fitter

            rac·ism
            ˈrāˌsizəm/
            noun
            1.
            the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

            The definition of race is too big, but you can google it. I’ve heard this argument before, and I appreciate the sentiment, but you’re simply arguing semantics and incorrectly at that. Here’s the pertinent definition, though:

            (in nontechnical use) each of the major divisions of living creatures.
            “a member of the human race”

        • David Bell

          Well let me help you understand that then…For instance there are still people who vehemently express anger and violent behavior toward minorities. Also, lending practices that in some places are still taking place today have made it harder for minorities to borrow to invest in their own home. Real estate investment is one of the ways that families could build wealth that many were deprived of. Hell in Alabama etc.. it’s only been 40 years since a black guy could get a library card! I could go on and on, but I don’t think that would be helpful. I just can’t see how you would believe that people who have been denied so many things since being freed from slavery let alone living among a race that used to own your people would have no significance on your ethnic culture.

      • greenchemist

        as far as black pride goes today though almost none of the black pride generation still exists today cause none of the “black” people today have been oppressed. So what is it that there proud of they were not oppressed so they have no right to be proud of rising up. This is again another example of other people taking credit for something they had no part in.

    • Madnugsbro

      Good job, you got right to the point. This shows that both Shame and Pride under these definitions are bad, and that the only good is the emotional equilibrium of neither shame nor pride about what we naturally are.

      • Pride is certainly applicable with homosexuality, because most homosexuals have to “come out” in order for others to know about it. That is an achievement, and I’m sure not an easy one. I’m proud of my friends and family who have come out, and I think they should be too. THAT is what Gay Pride means. I am who I am, and I’m not going to sit back and let you oppress me.

        • another way to see

          but maybe the pride in the case of oppression of any kind- whether based on race, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, skin colour- is not pride in the thing itself of which a person has no input… the pride in these cases is pride in the strength of character and mind, the honesty and the consciousness it takes to stand against the oppressors/oppressive systems…

    • Jojos

      Gay pride is the worst term anyone can use. Proud that you suck cocks? You want acceptance? keep your dirty habits in your bedroom and spare the rest of us normal human beings

      • Kalene

        Why should gay people keep their sex lives hidden when straight people can flaunt theirs? I’m sorry, but your comment is homophobic and hurtful. Guess what? Not all gay men “suck cocks,” and not all gay people are male.

        Telling people to hide what you perceive as “dirty” is not how acceptance is gained, it is how oppression is fueled. Why should a gay person hide their love for their partner when the privileged straight relationships can essentially have sex on screen and we hardly shrug?

        • Glenn Barkan

          JoJos, you are a prime example of why some gay people need to be taught that they can be proud of who you are. Too many gay people grow up with parents like you.

          That´s right, Jo. You are just as likely to have a gay kid as anyone else. You can refuse to believe this, but it is a roll of the dice. Go ahead and protest reality all you want. All you will get is a kid who will never reveal the truth to you.

          • greenchemist

            Actually this isn’t true anymore as we now have a biological reason for why children end up gay. And in the end its our fault when we over medicate people and play with hormones. Do I agree with JoJo no. But I do agree that being gay is not natural its an biological accident if we were ment to be gay the whole population wouldnt exist any more. But, that being said its not there fault for being gay and they shouldn’t have to hid it. But, as long as the majority of the population is straight your not likly to see gay sex on the big screen regularly cause its not what people want to see. And in the end movies are made so people will want to see them.

          • James Fitter

            The cause of homosexuality has not been definitively discovered. If you’re trying to say that it’s the result recent (as in the last 50 years) over medication, then you’re simply incorrect. Homosexuality has existed since the dawn of civilization. We know this because there are laws against in nearly every civilization in the fertile crescent and because the Greeks and Romans wrote about having homosexual relationships. It’s the internet, so you can say whatever you want, but I would suggest that you never take one study or theory as fact. Wait until it’s been through the gauntlet of the scientific/historic community before you treat it as fact. Until then it’s best to preface any mention of it by saying that it’s only one study or just a theory. I’d love to read where you got this information from though. Also you wrote “there” when you meant “their”. I figured I should be complete in my correction.

        • crankywhiteman

          So gay men don’t suck cocks? I thought that was the point… it’s true, I will never understand.

          • James Fitter

            She said not all gay men perform fellatio, just like not all heterosexual women perform it and not all heterosexual men perform cunnilingus. Instead of being so cranky about something you can’t control, you should get to the root of your cranky-ness and work on becoming happier. It would greatly improve your quality of life and reduce risk of hypertension and heart disease. Regardless I hope you become less cranky.

      • MW

        I don’t think you got the point of this article.

      • DatBus

        Sexual orientation has nothing to do with behavior or conduct. A heterosexual is no less heterosexual if he is celibate, and the same applies to homosexuals. And Lesbians don’t suck cocks. And you’re a twerp for not understanding this before you spit up ignorant-ass bile like that.

    • Raven Woods

      It is also about internalised homophobia. After a while, you believe you are deficient, deviant, evil or wrong.

  • Roland Mirabueno

    I remember I wrote a column when I was in college called Pride is Good. I think the problem in a lot of countries and a lot of minorities is that they feel like they are of less value. They feel like some class are better than them – some race, some gender. Sometimes, pride will get you to places. Just not too much of it.

  • I’m proud to be a human being that loves other human beings and the universe we live in. 🙂

  • Marie Curie wasn’t so smart–working with radioactive materials killed her.

  • Marie Curie wasn’t so smart–working with radioactive materials killed her.

  • Johnnybegood

    Some cultures and ethnicities have gone through and done alot over the years and because of that some people are proud to share the same ethnicity as the generations before them.

  • The4thhokage

    Problem is people get the words ‘Pride’ and ‘Happy’ mixed.
    The message is wholesome but the choice of words is what creates problems. Being overly proud of your demographic/ group/ culture can indirectly (even though its subtle) denounce other groups…

  • Because it’s something your ancestors built. You value what was left to you by those who came before you.

  • I’m proud to be a science loving atheist and secular humanist.

  • that is an incomplete definition of pride:
    1 (noun) feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one’s own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
    2 (verb) be especially proud of a particular quality or skill.
    But you are also using the word “proud” and the definition of that word is being used correctly when saying “I’m proud of/to be…..”

  • Gwzuhone

    i think that the pride relating to gay and any other minority is that you choose to be proud of what you normally are, but that you are proud to open about it. I am proud of being openly gay because it allows me to educate others.

    • fenaray

      It takes courage to be openly gay in many places. I am proud of those people who have the courage to do so.

  • I’m not even proud to be human. My brethren are responsible for so much hate and devastation, death and suffering; just to call myself a human is to feel complicit for man’s atrocities. I hope someday in the future the time will come when people can say they are “proud” to be a human being, but I feel that hope is in vain.

    • fenaray

      Did you choose to be born human?

    • greenchemist

      yet your profile picture is one of a man with a gun you dont find that a bit troubling to yourself?

  • I’m not ‘proud’ of being black, but I feel quite fortunate to have been born as a human being and one that thinks freely, no less. I find great joy in being able to contemplate the mysteries of the universe instead of being a thoughtless ‘passenger’. I feel confident that in the grand scheme of things I could’ve very well have been born a cockroach or something.

  • I think that when I say I’m proud to be gay or I’m proud to be Scottish, it has very little to do with me. Rather it’s a way for me to say that I’m so proud of us as a group. Of the things that we’ve done and the things that we’ve conquered. And I think that’s an important thing to be able to say. Not naming names but can all groups linked with a common trait say the same thing? I know it’s extreme but you never really hear “I’m proud to be a fascist!” or “I’m proud to be a racist!”. Being proud of something incurs a positive connotation, it makes it a good thing, something to be proud of. Some groups need that once in a while 🙂 Gay pride and Scottish pride being examples.

  • I think that when I say I’m proud to be gay or I’m proud to be Scottish, it has very little to do with me. Rather it’s a way for me to say that I’m so proud of us as a group. Of the things that we’ve done and the things that we’ve conquered. And I think that’s an important thing to be able to say. Not naming names but can all groups linked with a common trait say the same thing? I know it’s extreme but you never really hear “I’m proud to be a fascist!” or “I’m proud to be a racist!”. Being proud of something incurs a positive connotation, it makes it a good thing, something to be proud of. Some groups need that once in a while 🙂 Gay pride and Scottish pride being examples.

  • And of course it also implies a positive self image. WHen I say that I am proud of these small aspects of myself, what is really being said is “I’m happy with who I am as a person”. Nothing wrong with saying that. We all need a confidence boost once in a while aye 🙂

  • Tomas12066

    It means being proud of who you are and NOT letting some asshole say you are not good enough or tha tyour love isn’t valid just because of who you are. It is not proud that you were born a certain way it is just being proud and holding your head up high and saying F-you..I am who I am nd I am proud of who I was born as. Basically taking the power from the bigots!!

  • Theworkingman00

    When you identify as being anything other than a part of the collective human race, you are being violent by concurring the separation of yourself or a group from the whole.

    • Derek

      I understand your sentiment that a person is a person and we all deserve equal rights, but shouldn’t we also celebrate our differences because we can each add unique things to society and humanity?

  • I’ve been trying to explain this concept for years…people just think you’re having a go at them for being welsh/gay/whatever rather than pointing out the ridiculousness of a statement which has no more validity than “I’m proud to have a head”

    • Derek

      There goes Glyn bragging about having a head again.

  • debbie8431

    I say this all the time and never knew Carlin said it unless I absorbed it in my youth and didn’t remember. So damn true.

  • PattiCal

    I am Proud of the four children I raised. 4 grand children so far. all within 2 marriages (sorry, but I think you should try to have kids when you are stable and can afford it). All employed, one grew with the company over 32 years and still with it, no one a drug addict, no one in jail. We were not rich, and none of them got to go to College. Since I was the main one who was there all the time with 3 out of 4, I hope my good example is at least partly responsible for their good outcome.

  • Pride about your own religion brings disharmony
    ‘TRUE ESSENCE OF RELIGIONS’ To unite all
    http://www.fazelsubian.com

  • CalD

    Great post. You and Thomas Jefferson would have gotten along just fine.

  • Mingtian

    This is stupid. People can take pride in whatever they want. Also, ethnic and racial pride isn’t just about pride, it’s about LOVE. A love for your people and your heritage/ancestors and the culture(which is a part of you). You don’t choose it but you don’t choose your parents either, you still love them(not the best example but you know what I mean). Respect is different than pride since respect is something you get from others, not really yourself.

    “that in the example of “I am proud of being a WOMAN,” that it is used by some feminists and doesn’t mean pride in the literal sense, it simply means “I am not ashamed of being a woman” which is a response to some misogynist crackpots who look at women as inferior human beings”

    This is moronic. Nobody said you should be ashamed of being a woman, so this is irrelevant. Nor does anyone think woman are inferior(plenty of feminists think men are inferior though and that they should be ashamed, oh the irony). “Misogynist crackpots” I lol’d. There is none. However, plenty of feminists are very anti-male, so more irony.

    Also, Marie Curie was a proud Pole. She kept her Polish name “Sklodowska” to not lose her Polish identity, taught her kids Polish, and even named one of the chemicals she invented after her country: Polonium. She had a bit of ethnic pride(love) as well. And yes, she was great.

    Also also, plenty of people today shame whites for their negative history and that’s fine, but they seem to have an issue with them taking pride. “You should be ashamed at all the bad things your people have done. But don’t take pride in any of the good things”. Stupid.

    • Mingtian

      One more thing: People who say, for example, “I’m proud of being a woman” most of the time say it because they believe women are wonderful/special and they are literally proud of it, not because they’re “not ashamed”. That’s just a cop out.

    • fenaray

      I disagree, many women are taught as girls that they are not as good as boys in many ways, like math and athletics. Girls generally have more rules to follow when it comes to “propriety” than boys. Ever heard of “slut shaming?” Funny there’s no male equivalent. Plenty of people believe women are inferior to men. To me it makes absolutely no sense to be proud of where you were born or the race you were born into.

  • Nothing wrong with being proud of your country’s achievements. I’m proud to be Scottish; the history of my people, the great names, great feats of ingenuity and bravery. My family was there at the Battle of Bannockburn, and will be here in the Independence Referendum almost exactly 700 years later. The land itself is worthy to be proud of; I can say “I belong here, in this beautiful country and culture, where my ancestors have lived and died for over a thousand years”, and nobody can take that away from me.

  • Good argument to which I would respectfully add that we should remember the following. The reason we can see so far is because we all stand on the shoulders of giants.

  • Kamazuki Junuh

    you may want to consider using standard and more readable font..

  • Laura Castellanos

    still, its not easy not to be proud if your kids are intelligent for example (even if you had nothing to do about it) …

  • Trickyone

    To be proudly gay and out is an automatic contribution to make the world a better place! If one faces discrimination and you somehow cope and survive and build self-esteem and are supported by your community, then being proud is what you are and will forever be!!

  • calesuar

    Agree, whole with this writer’s views. It’s understandable however that when some sections of a society are being undermined for human characteristics which they can’t control, like skin color or who they are sexually attracted to, that these people may react with being “proud” ironically of these characteristics which they have no control over it. We must find that the best solution is to use pride and shame appropriately, that is only when it is achieved by our own actions.

  • TotallyRandomName

    I’m proud to have a much stronger grasp of the English language than the author of this article.

  • Aamir Saeed Khakhi

    I am proud of being an Engineer

  • Brenda Lunger

    Sometimes, people can be proud for overcoming bigotry and discrimination, but attribute the pride to the characteristic that “provoked” the bigotry. I understand it in those cases, like gay pride, black pride, etc.

    • Drew-Jordan Maharaj

      Depends. In the situation you describe the gay or black pride is not the same as being proud because they are gay or black, but they are proud that they were able to overcome discrimination which is within your control. But if a gay or black person is proud simply because he is gay or black, then that’s just as stupid as white pride or any other.

      • Brenda Lunger

        Thanks for restating my point. Pride does make sense in the context of a minority that is overcoming discrimination.

  • Sarah

    I don’t think you can disprove something that is felt by another person. People are generally perfectly cognizant of the meaning of pride and can recognize that emotion in themselves, and nothing you say can change the fact that the neurons firing in their heads are firing in a pattern that represents the feeling of pride. Perhaps it doesn’t adhere to the particular definition that you picked out from a host of definitions from a host of dictionaries, but that doesn’t erase the mental–the neurological–the frankly physical, literal reality of the feeling.

    • Drew-Jordan Maharaj

      pointing out that pride is based on stupidity if the pride is for something you didn’t accomplish or did by accident is sufficient to dispel pride in reasonable people because it disrupts the thinking process which leads to that conclusion (changes those firing neurons). Most of us have real reasons to be prideful that don’t involve ummutable aspects of ourselves like race, or sexual orientation, etc. If something accidental is the only thing you have to be proud of, chances are you’re a loser with no accomplishments. And when someone points this out, there’s a good chance your pride will turn to shame. You can certainly disprove the implications of something that is felt by someone.

  • Porst

    HUMAN PRIDE! WOOOOOOO!

    PROUD TO NOT BE AN ANT OR A TREE!

    SUCK IT, INANIMATE ROCKS!

  • stanleyvictoranselm

    The definition he uses allows for pride in qualities you possess. The debate is then what counts. Simply having been born in a country – NO (e.g. I am proud to be a New Zealander). Extolling through your actions particular human qualities that are valued/ admired by others in people from your country – YES (e.g. I am proud to be a Kiwi). Of course we then need to decide what are those qualities that count. And I assume they would need to be somehow universally seen as positive qualities. I understand his point but like many things there are subtleties of meaning that are dismissed without them being addressed.

  • srztanjur

    Pride is also a response to shaming

  • A Bos

    Good to hear that a lot of people are proud of the achievements of their grandmother, grandfather, mom or dad. Tell them you are, they will love to hear it. But now answer the question: what did you do yourself that makes you proud? Being born with a certain feature is not what makes me proud, it’s what I did with those things.

  • FullEnglishBreakfast

    am proud to be British simply because what British people have achieved in the grand scheme of things… The article is pedantic to say the least.

  • Nardus Visser

    Why the bitterness? Surely anything I feel, pride included – does not affect you in any way? Get over yourself…

  • Stiofan

    Em who decided the word pride means to achieve or posess something. It is in a dictionary. It’s a word and words are made up by people. They are nothing but sounds that people turn into signs and symbols. It’s line the word chickaboo which alleys makes me laugh because I alwYs thought that meant some sort of bean or lentil that you put in a soup. Till I read it in a dictionary and found it is a derogatory term for a person who hails from the Southern Hemisphere of the land block call Africa.

  • Ice

    >Pinoy Pride
    >Just trollin’

  • George

    I find the notion that one is proud of their serial orientation absurd. Where do we draw the line. Should we shout Straight pride! Or long live normal reproduction! I am not saying to be ashamed, just keep it private and modest.

  • I’m not a huge fan of the argument from dictionary. I think ‘pride’ is a pretty poor way to describe the complex feelings of emotion that people attach to questions of identity. These categories are never just about you; they are also about how you connect to others, and if people sometimes attach irrational significance to those connections, so too do they attach very positive significance to them. You can’t sort the difference with a meme or a single dictionary entry.

  • We are taught certain things by our society — that women are weaker than men, or must act in certain prescribed ways. That LGBTQ people don’t deserve the same legal rights and protections that straight people do. Etc.

    Gay pride is a reclamation of my queer identity as a positive and powerful attribute. The pride I have in being a woman is in recognition of the conscious decision I must make each day to fight to be myself even when our society would tell me I must be different in order to be “correct” or valid.

    Pride is important, necessary, and life-saving for minorities and the historically oppressed. If it’s not important, necessary and powerful for this author, that’s his prerogative. But it doesn’t make it invalid for the rest of us.

  • Exactly. Many thanks for giving voice to something I have long felt.

  • Upendra chalise

    People really need to know what to take pride in. Loved the article